Interview: 'Ginger and Rosa' director Sally Potter
The British director lets Cath Clarke in on why Ginger and Rosa is her most mainstream film yet – and whether it’s an autobiography
Daring and provocative, British director Sally Potter has always been an outsider. She once made a film with an all-female crew (Gold Diggers, 1983) and once told a stor entirely in verse (Yes, 2004). Her most successful was 1992’s Orlando, Tilda Swinton’s breakout film. But the 63-year-old filmmaker’s latest film, Ginger and Rosa, might be her most accessible yet. It’s set during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Elle Fanning is Ginger, a flame-haired 16-year-old marching on the streets of London to protest against nuclear weapons – just as Potter (also a redhead) did as a teenager. Ginger’s friend, Rosa (Alice Englert), is too busy snogging boys for politics, and she’s got Ginger’s anarchist writer dad in her sights. But how autobiographical is Ginger and Rosa? Time Out finds out...
Ginger and Rosa is your most accessible film yet. Did you deliberately make it to be seen by lots of people?
Yes. I wanted to strip away some of my aesthetic habits that I’ve accumulated over the years. Not exactly reinvent myself, but go down to something very primal and essential about character and image.
The film is about 16-year-old best friends. They’re so passionate about each other that it feels more like first love.
It’s first everything really. This kind of friendship is often trivialised. But they’re very serious and often profound relationships.
How vivid are your memories of that time, during the Cuban Missle Crisis?
Very vivid. I was 12 or 13, but I’d already been on the Aldermaston marches [anti-nuclear demos]. I remember as a child learning what the atom bomb did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the feeling of horror, the absolute horror.
So how autobiographical is Ginger and Rosa?
I can’t put a percentage on it. I’ve drawn on some aspects of my own observations but it’s a lot of imagination as well.
Ginger is arrested protesting. Were you?
I have been arrested – but later, as part of the squatting movement, in the 70s.
You cast non-Brits to play Ginger and Rosa. How many actresses did you audition?
We did about 2,000 Facebook auditions. Then the American casting director sent in an audition of Elle. She was amazing. I went immediately to LA to meet her. I was nervous, because she was 12. How on Earth could she play 16? But she had such depth, such maturity and had already done so many films, starting aged two. And yet she’s completely unspoilt in every way. I absolutely loved working with her. I love her.
Were you anxious that the film rested on the shoulders of teenagers?
No. I take the casting process incredibly seriously. I’m really careful and really slow. I won’t
cast somebody until I’m absolutely sure they’re right, because once
I’ve cast them, I commit myself. I give them everything. At that point I’m confident.
Your films are low budget and experimental but always attract big names like Johnny Depp (The Man Who Cried, 2000) and Jude Law (Rage, 2009). How is auditioning them different?
Meeting with a really well-known actor is a kind of mutual audition. You’re looking at them thinking: can I work with you? They’re looking at you thinking: will you make sure I don’t make big mistakes?
You left school at 16. What were you like as a teenager?
I’d made my first 8mm film at 14 and I absolutely, passionately wanted to be a film director. So I left school and struck out. I got jobs in restaurants, washing carrots, and joined the London Filmmaker’s Co-op, making tiny, tiny films that just got bigger. Looking back, I think, Jesus, living alone, wanting to be a film director… when I meet 16-year-olds, they’re so young, the little darlings.
In your career you’ve stayed outside the mainstream. Ever been tempted in?
I’ve never had a set career plan. I just want to be passionate about whatever I’m doing next. Every now and then I think ‘gosh, have I made the right choice? Should I have turned down those scripts?’ You know, financially.
Ginger and Rosa opens Thu Dec 19.